Pristine beach in the heart of the Abel Tasman

Closed Project page created in the New Zealanders category by Communitas for "Generations of NZ'ers who will get to enjoy one of the most beautiful spots in NZ"

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This project has now closed. We've temporarily hidden the total until after the tender process is complete and the project owners will be completely transparent about the total amount raised. And remember, no pledges will be processed unless the tender is successful.

  • over 2 million pledged
  • $2,000,000.00 target
  • 39,239 generous backers
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    Dana asks

    Hello,

    I'm an editor at Business Insider, a news website headquartered in New York City, and I'm writing a story about your successful campaign to buy Awaroa Beach. I'm hoping to talk to Duane and/or Adam — if you get this message, will you email me at dvarinsky@businessinsider.com?

    Thanks so much,

    Dana Varinsky

    on 20 Aug 2016

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    Tessa asks

    Hi, my name is Tessa Berger, trustee of the Mahurangi Costal Trail Trust. I would love to get in touch with Mr Major regarding a fundraising event my fellow trustees and I would love for him to attend. Happy to chat as soon as possible. I'm available for contact at anytime via berger@themerchandisecollective.com

    Warm Regards,

    Tessa Berger

    on 22 Mar 2016

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    Holly asks

    My account was debited this morning, so does this mean the tender was accepted?

    on 19 Feb 2016

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    Anthony asks

    So what happens now..are we going to be updated on a daily basis on how the tender is going?

    on 18 Feb 2016

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      Communitas

      Hi Anthony,

      Yip, good point! We've been thinking about that too since its been going a couple of days now. This is surely an unprecedented and highly unusual scenario and we need to stay touch through it! :)

      We mentioned a bit of a status update in 'our news' last night. The negotiation stuff is underway and phone calls and emails are happening. Tendering is certainly a precarious process, that’s even before you have a public campaign enter it with a media entourage.

      Its real tricky to know how much to share, because potential tender competitors are listening in. Maybe its a bit like trusting team NZ that they have a great keel without seeing it! :)

      The team is an incredible team which Adam and I will continue to trust. Chris Kennedy CEO Harcourts, Geoffrey Harley Barrister lawyer from wellington, Chris Gordon and Andrew Peterson from Bell Gully acting as solicitors. (I'd hate to think how many hours and $ they have already spent pro-bono on this.) We are in capable hands eh.

      Phrases like 'We cannot bid, what we have not got", 'we are dealing with public money' and 'integrity is paramount' continue to be used as they run through the many changing scenarios.

      Obviously one scenario ahead is we simply don't have enough money :(

      Adam and I obviously have become hugely vested in this, like many of you all. We would be gutted to miss out, but we would like to think we could grieve well, learn, celebrate and become better for it.

      But rest assured with the cool heads and skill sets of the ‘tender team’, with the vision, values and drive of us all behind them, our best possible foot forward will be made.

      Will keep everyone posted daily. Thanks Anthony

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    Wendy asks

    I also like Matthew Benge's suggestion of prioritising the bird life regeneration while still allowing managed access for people. It is a great idea. Best of both worlds!

    on 15 Feb 2016

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    Alistair asks

    Just wanted to respond to Matthew Benge's comment - best I've read here. That's a great idea. Matthew can be assured that the birds are returning but there are many people who walk across the spit with no regard for their habitat. When we see that happening we try to point it out to those concerned but get abused for the effort.

    Yes please - give this place back to the birds!

    on 15 Feb 2016

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    matthew asks

    I sold Awaroa to the present owner and spent my last 60 years enjoying this place.

    Since the 1980's when the place became popular I tried and tried to protect the spit for the 2000 or so birds that used to nest. DOC would not do anything meaningfull to stop the interferring with the bird life by park users.. Having riparian rights was meaningless as a private citizen so the birds all went away eventually. Occasionally a pair or two would return and start nest building but then they would be interupted and would disapear. I believe the clear space on the spit is very important as there is no cover for stoats and that is where most of the nesting was right on the end, there was often no space between the nests of the Black capped terns. The dotterels have gone and the variable Oyster catchers and pied Oystercatcher number has diminished to almost none. Finnally after talking to the QE2 trust I found that they were able to support and add teeth to the protection of the nesting birds but I could not get the wider family to agree because some had the $ in sight.

    I would hate to see this go to DOC as they have already failed the birdlife dispite protection of native species as being their job. I strongly believe that this piece of land should go to QE2 or a similar organisation that will protect the spit for the birds. QE2 and I had a plan drawn up for this .

    Poersonally I think that if you look at the Park and it's popularity and growth that there is room for all. The park lacks a place for Kayakers , which is very popular, in advers weather. I think the base of this property (the area covered in Kanuka) could be a kayak base and in bad weather you have still 1000 acres of very interesting kayaking when the tide is in. No access should be allowed on the spit untill birds return .Once nesting bird numbers are high access could be allowed out of season. The kayaking base would give a permanant presence so the no go area could be inforced and the nesting birds would become an attraction of their own in time viewed from the sea not the land by kayak.

    All anyone sees now is a beautifull beach, which it is,but the birdlife was unparalled anywhere else in this park and it is all gone, so no one can see that, so no one understands the true importance of this piece of land and why it should be protected, people and birds can' have their cake and eat it' here if the right plan is made. It would become even more special for both.

    Matthew Benge

    on 15 Feb 2016

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    Grant asks

    The tender documents state that a 10% deposit must accompany the tender offer documents. Who's paying that?

    on 14 Feb 2016

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    Michelle asks

    Hey Guys,

    You know what..Ive been following this from the start with my two young boys, made a couple of pledges..hope like hell we are successful with the tender..BUT..the very best of this is the demonstration of people power, the way it has pulled us everyday kiwi's together in a common purpose to try our very best to achieve something for ALL of us and our future generations..and this alone has proven just how much

    we as New Zealanders LOVE our beaches, our bush, our coastline, our wild and free places and more than anything it is at the very core of our values and being. So firstly THANK YOU guys for having the Xmas day chat that has bought this

    about..NZ you have spoken about what is important!, it has been a pleasure to watch and read this site day after day..Gareth Morgan comments aside..in light of all the bad news that we are hammered with day after day we as NZer's have truly shone...Thank you so much for the journey so far!! Bring the tender on!! GO KIWI's

    on 14 Feb 2016

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    Christine asks

    Hi it would be good for our Nelson TV Station to do an interview with you guys now the target has been met. Can you email them on news@mainlandtv.nz to organise a suitable time/day etc? :)

    on 13 Feb 2016

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    Christine asks

    Any surplus money should look to go to Doc for upgrading amenities to the property so there is a place to cook, sleep and toilet for trampers/ visitors wanting to stay a night in my humble opinion. Good work guys!

    on 13 Feb 2016

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    Helen asks

    The negative comments on Mr Morgan are unnecessary

    Come on NZ rise above knocking people

    Thank you

    Thank you

    Thank you

    to those who organised this and the 33,000 who made it happen WHOOP!!

    Another piece of paradise for future generations

    on 13 Feb 2016

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    Helen asks

    The negative comments on Mr Morgan are unneccessary

    Come on NZ rise above knocking people

    Thank you

    Thank you

    Thank you

    to those who organised this and the 33,000 who made it happen WHOOP!!

    Another piece of paradise for future generations

    on 13 Feb 2016

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    Aaron asks

    There are a number of questions/concerns around what will be done with the surplus funds (if any). If you aren't able to refund it, one easy option would be for it to be donated to DoC, given the general theme of this fundraising:

    http://www.doc.govt.nz/get-involved/conservation-activities/make-a-donation/

    on 12 Feb 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Aaron,

      Surplus Funds sounds like an awesome thing to us!

      That means that we have pledged enough, won the tender and have leftovers!! First things first, but yes it is good to think ahead.

      We have been talking to iwi and DOC and trusts all along and I there seems to be no shortage of things that would be in keeping with our bottom line "permanently off the property market for all to enjoy forever". All of them would be good.

      Isn't it great that there is so many people being able to voice there care for our natural heritage. Its awesome.

      There seems there can only be good that can come out these kinds of future scenarios. Just goes to show you what can be done in 3 short weeks by a bunch of people pulling together.

      I seriously can't see the downside to pledging, i am so glad others like you think the same. Look forward to meeting people like you one day when we walk into people's home's and see the gifted photo's on the wall, or having a yak on a beach, mountain or DOC hut and realise we both pleaded.

      Win or lose this has been worth it. And a privilege of being a part of something bigger than all of us. Really hope we can pull this off in the cut and thrust of next week.

      Go well,

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    Roger asks

    Personally I don't think that the bid should be more than 2 Million. I pledged money on the understanding that that was the limit. I don't want to see my money used to drive up the price to the benefit of the vendor. A target was set, it looks like that will be achieved, but this isn't meant to be an open cheque.

    Having said that, I think that getting 33000 people involved is a fantastic achievement, whatever the outcome.

    on 12 Feb 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Cheers Rodger, understand the sentiment.

      When we first started the $2mill figure was mostly cued off the newspaper article, a yak to the real estate agent and the thought it was a nice simple number.

      We spoke a lot initially with QE2 trust and they (along with many others) believe(d) the price range is 1.6mill - 2mill, so 2mill still seemed about right and realistic win-win purchase price. Fair and slightly on the generous side. We are don't need this to be a bargain to make it worth it, or be able to make money on the resale! :) Its a gift.

      However we always knew the precarious nature of a public campaign interfacing with a private commercial tender process. This had made the last three weeks a fascinating interplay of many live factors. Every time the media reports the story, it changes the story! Every time we share it's beauty to the public we attract private interests. Every time a third party makes a comment it changes, it influences the actions of people listening. With all those factors (and more) I suppose it was always gonna be great media and a bumpy landing! :)

      Despite this, we have continued to focus on our bottom line and work with what is in our control. Which really isn't much besides doing our best to positively raise awareness and inspire everyday people to action.

      Right now, there is lot of speculation of what the price may be for example, as you are probably aware. What someone else is prepared to pay is out of control. How much we value it, is in our control. We are happy to invite people to join in this merry band of NZ'ers adding their different sized coins to our national 'coin trail', and just like the kids, painting a picture and sending a message to each other and the future.

      It certainly helps having extra pledges to strengthen our tender offer as we have come so far, but it is not only about 'price', but expression of the value we new zealanders put on our land. That is worth a lot (win or lose), we are excited to allow more people to experience the joy of giving, the benefits of being empowered to voice a value (it feels good doesn't it), and to be connected to fellow kiwi's who experience something deep in the same way, without even having met each other! Turns out we have been chips of the same block of land, we have been shaped in fundamental ways merely by sharing these islands together for as long as we each have.

      Maybe there's a bonus to our current 'stealth mode' ( By the way, thanks to Paul Henry for your extra encouragement for that idea, cheers). This is where the $ total showing has been frozen and only the number of pledges goes up. It's kind of a metaphor that demonstrates another kind of value besides purely financial concerns.

      Ok thats it, we've cranked out the word metaphor, time to stop waxing on! :)

      Ha! thats a very long answer to a short question! :) sorry about that, just going with the flow :)

      Cheers Rodger, love the questions that draw us out.

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    Richard asks

    Can GiveaLittle arrange it so that we can keep pledging past the $2M but so that the total stops going up? That way other tenderers won't know what total they're up against.

    on 12 Feb 2016

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      Communitas

      That's what we're doing! :)

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    C & D asks

    If we get over $2 million which it looks like we are going to do, and are successful with our bid, what happens to the surplus money. I have heard there in another larger piece of land for sale next to this one - just a thought

    on 12 Feb 2016

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      Communitas

      good thinking. see answer to Aaron W below :)

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    stewart asks

    If the bid isn't successful can we use the money to buy Gareth a nice little bach far away from NZ? With no internet access?

    on 12 Feb 2016

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    David asks

    Overseas Investment Office may well decline foreign buyers, as foreign lock up clearly not in the public interest.

    Public Works Act if seller is being greedy.

    on 12 Feb 2016

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      Communitas

      Cheers for your sharing your thoughts David, It raises some good things to think about.

      Wouldn't it be cool to think that win or lose, one long term result is that we are raising awareness that expresses / demonstrates national interest/attachment to places like this.

      So much so, that the various institutional processes locally, regionally and nationally will likely take account of it.

      There seems to be a significant collective expression of public interest being made.

      It may well assist the precarious tender process also. Whilst we have attracted market attention, we have also demonstrated public interest so vividly, we have actually reduced the market interest. Who's to know.

      For now, those things are out of our control and hence the focus on what people can do in the present. Its great to be a part of shared public interest and voluntary investment isn't it.

      Boom. thanks for commenting.

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    Benoit asks

    Hi, I can confirm what Sharon is saying, the amount when from about 1899 thousands to 1886 thousands, so about 13 thousands backward. Haven't checked the time exactly but must have been around 11pm NZDT yesterday.

    on 12 Feb 2016

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    Sharon asks

    Two questions

    1. I desperately want to donate $100 and have tried multiple times but it won't accept my credit card - I am a Kiwi living abroad and it is a Turkish credit card. But I can't see what the problem is? Any ideas? There is money on the card ready to go... but no go! Will ask a family member to donate for me...

    2. I have been following the amount closely and today it went down quite a lot. The total was almost 2 million about 6 hours ago, and now it is the same amount - it went down considerably although the number of donors kept going up. Any ideas why this is?

    on 12 Feb 2016

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      Communitas

      1. Not sure what's has gone wrong with your card but i'm told by givealittle that they should work. You should email helpdesk@givealittle.co.nz and see what they can do for you.

      2. The numbers when down because a few people made some mistakes with pledges (Giving $10,000 when they were meant to give $1000) and there have been some double pledges. Nothing to worry about!

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    Euan asks

    IF WE GET THE 2MILLION WILL BE GREAT. BUT THE RACE ISN'T OVER. WHO IS GOING TO COME UP WITH THE REST WHEN ONE OF THE DONALD TRUMPS OF THIS WORLD BUY IT? WE NEED PEOPLE TO COMMIT TO PLEDGING MORE. DO YOU THINK THAT AFTER THE DEADLINE THAT THE ALREADY DONATING CAN UP THEIR PLEDGES PRE AUCTION???

    on 12 Feb 2016

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    Alistair asks

    Well what we already knew is out there now. Garnham is the owner. He'll take every penny he can get and every penny we pledge is worth it. Duane, Adam we're nearly there! Fingers crossed!

    on 11 Feb 2016

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    Alistair asks

    This is not a question but a statement:

    I join with Daune and Adam and other people who have pledged (us included) that Morgan's pitch is not in the spirit of this campaign. I'd add that he has been destructive to its intent - talked up the price and completely missed the point about taking this land out of private ownership and back into the public realm. Communitas have made that clear as well and I applaud them.

    I know this piece of land well. Commentators say it'll shortly disappear under the rising sea levels. I disagree, it has better natural defenses than many human made systems and if anything the sand build up on the spit and out to sea is increasing, not eroding. Time will tell but in recent years the spit has strengthened not weakened.

    The buildings on the land are shacks - one (or two) is barely habitable. Bayleys video makes them look otherwise but it ain't so. If DoC gain ownership they should be demolished and removed.

    The current owner is going to take whatever he can get - he doesn't care about this place. His first actions as the new owner completely abused the environment, he was caught out by locals, stopped and then he disappeared. He (and his family) never go there as far as we can tell.

    Morgan's "gift" of ongoing public access to the beach is a complete crock. No owner could stop access. It isn't an issue. The only way to do so would be to place goons at 20 metre centres all along the beach and beat up anyone who went above MHWS - the notional boundary. That's going to take a very dedicated, very rich and very nasty person. And what'd be the point? You can't build a fence. Yeah you could put up signs - but the tides and the locals will quickly have their way with those...

    DoC's claim that it has no ecological values astounds me. The bird life on the spit (part of the land) is prolific. And they are breeding here. Isn't that ecologically valuable?

    The price tag of $2M will have to please the current owner - he paid less. Morgan's suggestion that it'll go for much more is ignorant and inflationary. Anyone who does due diligence will find that aside from returning it to the park, where it belongs, it cannot be developed. You can stay there as it is but it wouldn't be very comfortable. It has been on the market for well over a year at this asking price and the wisdom in the inlet is that it is worth less than $2M not more. But if this campaign gets it for $2M and we all chipped in what we could spare - what the hell - we got it for everyone! That makes me smile.

    I'm totally for this campaign just as Duane and Adam have made it happen. They're an inspiration to follow. It's a statement of people power and we've personally given as much as we can afford. Let's win this tender and sod off Morgan. It is a small gesture among all the land and landscapes that should be returned to the public realm but as a gesture it is huge! It is a start and one that, by drops in a bucket, we can fill!

    No questions...we hope that GaL win this without a turkey like Morgan stuffing it all up.

    Thanks Duane and Adam - you are an inspiration for us!

    on 11 Feb 2016

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    Chris asks

    Q1. The team at Givealittle have agreed that they will ensure that the money will not be paid out until we have won the Tender. This is good but I was wondering

    Communitas is a private company and has no public reporting requirements. If Givealittle pays the funds on the basis Communitas wins the tender. What measures are in place preventing Communitas dealing as it wishes with the all the funds or the surplus of the funds?

    Q2. There is no specified receiver of the gift. So what security do doners have that the resulting "or any other trust" is not a trust controlled by parties involved with Communitas.

    Q3. Does Communitas get a tax deduction for the Gift to a registered charity should a gift of property and cash be made?

    Q4. Did the creators consider creating a bare trust placing the funds with a solicitors trust account on the conditions of the givealittle offer rather than having the funds paid to a company controlled by Communitas?

    on 11 Feb 2016

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    James asks

    Since so many people are doing their bit for New Zealand AND the vendors will be recovering the money they spent on this land some years ago, couldn't we get their commitment that if their asking price of $2m is reached they too will do their bit and accept this offer, regardless of what other offers there may be? I hope they have been touched by this campaign and do their bit to preserve their legacy. The vendor also stands to benefit from the public purchase with guaranteed future access. This could be a win win for everyone and wouldn't it be great to know it was a done deal before the funding period closes on Sunday night.

    on 11 Feb 2016

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    Andrew asks

    Has anyone talked to the local iwi about this? I feel they should be involved in some way

    on 11 Feb 2016

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      Communitas

      Yup! Duane has been working very closely with them.

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    Ben asks

    Hi, I made a pledge and I am just wondering if this is considered a purchase or a cash withdrawal when I use a credit card? with a purchase it is interest free because I pay my balance in full every month, but if it is a cash withdrawal it immediately costs me interest. Thanks

    on 11 Feb 2016

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    Ben asks

    Hi, I made a pledge and I am just wondering if this is considered a purchase or a cash withdrawal when I use a credit card? with a purchase it is interest free because I pay my balance in full every month, but if it is a cash withdrawl it immediately costs me interest. Thanks

    on 11 Feb 2016

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    marcus asks

    DOC should not only be caretaker of this land but also contribute towards its purchase. If they match the givealittle funds then they still get to own it for half price and should secure it for our future generations. It's a bit lame to say they haven't budgeted for it - tell Winston Peters that in parliament on Monday after this gets sold to an international investor.

    on 11 Feb 2016

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    New asks

    Hi my parents made a donation in the name of the Coull family but I am not sure if this has come to you as the system crashed just after. They have not had an email for conformation. Can you please confirm if this has been received or not. Thank you

    on 11 Feb 2016

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    Karsten asks

    I think it's great if DOC can manage the land as part of the national park, however I would like to see an additional covenant in place to prevent anything "untoward" happening to it. I still remember marching down Queen St five years ago to protest against mining on conservation land. The Milford sound tunnel was mentioned by others.

    It's an unfortunate fact that at times DOC seems to come under immense pressure from their political masters of the day. I would find it incredibly galling to have chipped in money to save this land for the public, only to have it exploited again by private interests through the back door at a later stage.

    on 10 Feb 2016

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    Sharlene asks

    What about asking more companies to donate larger sums too :)

    on 10 Feb 2016

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    marcus asks

    To David and others

    I do not understand why people think Gareth Morgan wants other people to pay for his use of this property - he has hundreds of millions of dollars of his own and does not need any of ours to buy this. There is nothing preventing him from placing a private tender which he may well do. However I believe he is trying to be helpfull to this campaign, with a catch (because he is an estute businessman). The reality is that by Sunday this property will be sold - period. All other tenders will know how much give-a-little has raised and adjust their bids accordingly - so without some serious financial backing, this bid by 26 thousand plus kind spirited Kiwis is likely to fail.

    If you have a better offer than Gareth - then please step forward before it's too late. Once this land goes to overseas buyers, you can expect to see the "Kiwis keep off" signs erected on the beach.

    on 10 Feb 2016

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    David asks

    Marcus wrote: "but he [Gareth Morgan] wants something for it - fair enough!"

    Either Gareth Morgan should buy it for himself, or decide to do what everyone is doing here and straight out donate. Getting others to pay for most of it so that he can "bags" it for as long as he and his family likes is not "fair enough."

    on 10 Feb 2016

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    Craig asks

    Great project, but I have some reservations about gifting it to DOC, as highlighted below it is suggested that there has been past cases where, at a bureaucratic level DOC has shown little regard to local communities voices and hides behind a complex and potentially restrictive public submission process, this initiative is great but to be truly all for the people and the publics benefit it needs direct democracy behind it, so if successful in the initial bid will there be a transparent vote to determine the path that this campaign will take? Or will the founders or an exclusive group have the final say? Kind regards.

    on 10 Feb 2016

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    Thinus asks

    You mentioned that the property was bought in 2008 for 1.9million. By whom? Do you have any contact/relationship with the owner?

    on 10 Feb 2016

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    Imogen asks

    Marcus - the average Chinese investor in NZ does buy not a remote beach (+ remember the biggest overseas property investors in are Canadians, not Chinese).

    Gareth Morgan's offer defeats the purpose of the exercise - let him pay $2m for the property if he wants it for his use and not have his purchase subsidised by all the people donating.

    on 10 Feb 2016

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    marcus asks

    Gareth Morgan seams to have caused a wee stir here however people we need to remember that he is a very experienced businessman and that the sale of this property is by tender. That means there could be 100 other tenderers out there, some with very fat wallets from China. So please lets just accept that Gareths offer may be exactly what is needed to win this tender - expect a sale price closer to $3Million than $2M and understand that Gareth is doing us a favour - but he wants something for it - fair enough!

    on 10 Feb 2016

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    Stu asks

    If the total is reached and the tender were successful how exactly would the dwellings be managed? Presumably they would become property of DOC and be governed by the existing conditions that are in place for all other DOC huts/lodges? Surely their would need to be some fair use policy in play?

    on 10 Feb 2016

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      Communitas

      Yeah it would be up to those that look after this gift. I imagine it would return to a more natural state.

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    Tracey asks

    Because this is a private sale, that would mean the owner now pays rates? Who pays the rates in the future?

    on 10 Feb 2016

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      Communitas

      If in National Park, there would be no rates.

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    marcus asks

    Gareth Morgan seams to have caused a wee stir here however people we need to remember that he is a very experienced businessman and that the sale of this property is by tender. That means there could be 100 other tenderers out there, some with very fat wallets from China. So please lets just accept that Gareths offer may be exactly what is needed to win this tender - expect a sale price closer to $3Million than $2M and understand that Gareth is doing us a favour - but he wants something for it - fair enough!

    on 10 Feb 2016

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    Ginny asks

    I think this needs some serious attention. In an effort to do the right thing many NZers have donated. In an effort to be greedy Gareth Morgan has tried to hijack it and keep it for himself. GREED GREED GREED. Maybe I need to deliver 1000 cats to the area....that would keep Gareth out :-) Better cats than Gareth any day. Oh My Question ??? Shall we start a page to pay to get Gareth to leave the country ?

    on 09 Feb 2016

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    Edgie asks

    I will be withdrawing my offer of support if Gareth Morgan is donating on terms more favourable than myself and others who have already donated.

    on 09 Feb 2016

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    Paul asks

    Yep, I agree, will be withdrawing my pledge if Gareth Morgan gate crashes everyone elses good work. Gareth if you want to buy a beach Mururoa is available. PISS OF AND STOP FREELOADING. JESUS EVERYONE IS SICK OF YOU

    on 09 Feb 2016

  • 962da26752f34c4c9af1509a446f76f0

    Paul asks

    Yep, I agree, will be withdrawing my pledge if Gareth Morgan gate crashes everyone elses good work. Gareth if you want to buy a beach Mururoa is available. PISS OF AND STOP FREELOADING. JESUS EVERYONE IS SICK OF YOU

    on 09 Feb 2016

  • bc1e5a85b3f144fa91794c876521b412

    Vicki asks

    If Gareth Morgan is contributing to the purchase on his terms I will be withdrawing my pledge. I am not prepared to fund someone else for their own selfish purposes. I may never visit this beautiful place but my children , grandchildren and friends may like this opportunity.

    What you are doing is amazing but people donating and demanding terms to their donations is wrong.

    on 09 Feb 2016

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    Collin asks

    Why should I SUBSIDISE Morgan in his attempt to buy land that should be part of the national park anyway?

    on 09 Feb 2016

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    Shelley asks

    Haven't we all pledged to keep all of this piece of land available for all New Zealanders?. Therefore it is available for Mr Morgan and his family to use too. Why does he need to have a portion exclusively for himself...I don't think this 'deal' is in keeping with the spirit of your idea Communitas.

    on 09 Feb 2016

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    Hamish asks

    Despite Gareth Morgan's cynical and greedy attempt to hijack this campaign for his personal benefit, I urge everyone to keep donating so that his cynical offer becomes redundant. Let's get to $2m without him and he can build his family bach elsewhere.

    But I want to emphasize to the organisers of this campaign: I pledged a 4-figure amount under the terms that you set out. (And you've done a great job, I admire you for doing this.) I did not however sign up to subsidize Gareth Morgan's latest bach. His son can keep doing that. My offer is withdrawn (and I will take necessary legal actions to ensure this) if Gareth Morgan's offer is accepted. Please confirm you accept this!

    And if you do consider his cynical offer, to have part of this property for personal use, for a price of $2m minus all the money pledged, then I will better that offer and build my own batch! Seriously. Please confirm that if somehow you did consider Gareth Morgan's cynical offer you would at least set out to obtain competing offers under the same terms.

    on 09 Feb 2016

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    Penny asks

    Hello

    I think this is a terrific idea and I have made a pledge. However I did this before Mr Morgan tried to gate crash.

    My question is can I withdraw my pledge if Mr Morgan does become the owner because I do not support his proposal and the terms would have changed from the original proposal.

    Thank you

    on 09 Feb 2016

  • 7885e5ed90a741ce9cff4f65813403e8

    Penny asks

    Hello

    I think this is a terrific idea and I have made a pledge. However I did this before Mr Morgan tried to gate crash.

    My question is can I withdraw my pledge if Mr Morgan does become the owner because I do not support his proposal and the terms would have changed from the original proposal.

    Thank you

    on 09 Feb 2016

  • 7a18f367c4204c6abebfd7798261e55c

    fei asks

    Can I assume if public funds reached $2 million, then Mr Gareth Morgan won't have to pay the balance and get his exclusive rights of the beach?

    on 09 Feb 2016

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    Deanna asks

    Thanks for the response guys but by "support" I meant I hope the real estate agent and seller show some generosity too. For instance by taking a smaller cut and refusing to sell to anyone else. That would make this deal truly exceptional.

    on 09 Feb 2016

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    Jean asks

    I think it is really great that so many people are supporting this cause. It shows how many people care about this kind of thing. It shows people can make a difference. Even if I never visit this beach I will be glad that I contributed (assuming that you guys win and get to buy it) and it becomes part of the National Park and by the way I personally would not want to donate to any 1080 drops anywhere in NZ..there has to be a better way than that.

    on 08 Feb 2016

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    Alistair asks

    I just wanted people to know that this isn't just a beach - I've emailed Maggie Barry about this. It is a nesting ground for black oyster catchers, southern pied oyster catchers, red billed gulls, black backed gulls and (this year!) NZ dotterel. It is also a roost for shags and vagrant little terns. DoC says it has no particular ecological values - hence no support. That's weird because they erect signs on the spit telling people that these are nesting grounds. All of the birds that nest there are at risk or threatened species. C'mon DoC and c'mon NZ. This is more than just a beach.

    on 08 Feb 2016

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    David asks

    Well done for all your hard work on this Duane.

    Great also to see the power of community coming through.

    It could also be that other potential buyers are warned off by the 20,922 families that have backed this initiative. The people have spoken decisively, and no wealthy individual should trump this.

    Should a potential buyer challenge this, they could end up holding a very hot potato.

    Good luck with the negotiations.

    on 08 Feb 2016

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    Deanna asks

    What an exciting act of goodwill New Zealand! Before I contribute I'd like to know if there is support from the seller and real estate agent?

    on 08 Feb 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      I believe the press reported that real estate agent sees what we are about and has been helpful with images and the usual resources related to purchase.

      I would say that we are seen as a viable tender option.

      It's a commercial tender process, so does make it particularly interesting for a campaign such as this.

      Hope this helps.

      Remember the pledge is only on hold until givealittle sees the real estate paper work showing we can purchase and gift.

      Cheers.

  • caa9cf82e22d4f23bd7d394e0d9eeabe

    Ben asks

    This was my grandfathers place until a few years ago, no fuss was made when it was sold then. What's the big deal now?

    on 07 Feb 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Ben, we didn't know about it I suppose. I believe DOC and QE2 Trust was interested but could not afford market rates. The difference in this instance is public pledges can make this possible. The idea is to ensure the future. Cheers for getting in touch.

  • 81199b168fb34b33b1d2a2b0e63bc3be

    Racine asks

    Hi there, I pledged $20.00 and my bank was debited straight away. I was under the impression that I would not be debited till tender was matched. Feeling a bit confused.

    on 07 Feb 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      With regards to cards being charged prior to the target being hit, we have learned that some banks process the pledging transaction differently, some will display the amount of money you have pledged on your card on your account, this is not charged but works in the same way that a hold would. After 7 days this amount will disappear/be reversed dependent on your bank. Givealittle will not receive any funds until the target is reached and pledges are converted to donations

      If you have any more question it would be best to email helpdesk@givealittle.co.nz. They'll be able to help you out!

  • fbaa3225bc304b4da0ee991aca72e204

    D asks

    Hi, What happens to the money if you don't win the tender, but have exceeded the $2mil?

    on 06 Feb 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      They it all goes back to you guys :)

  • 3c8730009d464ccfaf73cbbbbdd75460

    Justine asks

    Hi regarding the awaroa property, just wanted to let you know there is also another 10 acre block for sale the owner wanting 1.5 mill for it , all flat mowed grass perfect to gift to doc this could be used by many to camp on etc . My grandad previously owned all the land there and sold on 3 private blocks which have since been split up, the spit being one of the blocks. Anyway it's just a thought maybe if you don't reach your target you could look at buying that. Thanks Justine

    Justine

    on 04 Feb 2016

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  • 7a3444338cbc43e08310f8df1b1b4819

    Sue asks

    Hi. I wasn't expecting the money I pledged to be taken out of my bank account until you had $2 million of pledges made. If the bid for the "property is not successful how will i get my money back?

    on 03 Feb 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      With regards to cards being charged prior to the target being hit, we have learned that some banks process the pledging transaction differently, some will display the amount of money you have pledged on your card on your account, this is not charged but works in the same way that a hold would.

      After 7 days this amount will disappear/be reversed dependent on your bank. Givealittle will not receive any funds until the target is reached and pledges are converted to donations

      If you have any more question it would be best to email helpdesk@givealittle.co.nz. They'll be able to help you out!

      If we don't win the tender then it won't be taken out!

  • 1dac20191dd54786a1343a3c45b78eca

    Rosalee asks

    Kia ora! Is there an 'official' hash tag for this campaign? I just shared it on twitter using #BuyBackNZ. Could be good to encourage people to use the same one for extra twitter reach, particularly in the last week or so :)

    on 31 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hey Rosalee,

      I don't have a clue how twitter works, but i hear it works! :)

      if there was a name/tag I personally like it might be

      giftabeltasmanbeach

      Is that too long?

      That's the name of the Facebook page, I really like the idea of "gift", whilst we are "saving" it, we are gifting it too and i love how positive, generous and future focussed "gift" is.

      No biggie tho! :) if the shoe fits wear it! Lets just do whatever it takes to get it over the line. appreciate your concern and suggestion, maybe we could set something up this week.

      cheers. duane

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    Ross asks

    Hi, what is the height above sea level of the highest point of the parcel of land? Cheers.

    on 30 Jan 2016

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    Lynda asks

    Hi Do you know about the Wilderness Land Company? I was there at the start of that, it was put together around 20 - 25 years ago to buy land at Thompsons Flat, Lake Daniels over by Maruia. These guys did a share each and have a company set up to run it properly. This was to make sure access to the Flat would continue, at the time there were overseas interests wanting to buy it and stop public access. Might be worth talking to people on that company. I'd suggest Thad, Graeme or Bruce as being the best and most business/philanthropist minded ones to talk to. Look up the companies office and get their details, thought it might be a good structure for this? Good on you and good luck!

    on 30 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Thanks heaps.

      Sounds like a visionary initiative and one that has worked.

      I'm yakking to QE2 Trust (www.openspaces.org.nz) and DOC and borrowing their expertise and connections so I hope Iwi and local trusts like this are engaged fully and collaboratively.

      Thanks Heaps Lynda. Cheers for your help. :) d

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    Sue asks

    I'm concerned about the following points.

    1) The beach in question is temporary real estate; given sea level rise, it is likely to be affected in the next few decades.

    2) This bid seems likely to jack up the price of the real estate.

    3) Because of the temporary nature of the land, it's unlikely that the buyer would get permission to build on it; also unlikely that they would take measures to exclude people from the beach (fences, security guards).

    4) The permanent course of the Abel-Tasman runs well away from this beach.

    So it seems like a waste of money to bid for it. 2016 is probably going to be a mast year, and our native species are in danger. DOC has not yet secured funds to pay for the 1080 drops that will be necessary to protect them. The $2 million being raised here could make a valuable contribution to saving the natives this year.

    on 30 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Sue,

      Cheers for sharing your concerns.

      1. In terms of sea levels, I feel we are giving ourselves a good base to deal with those kinds of scenarios. It's still a gift from this generations to the future generations. We are doing what can we do now.

      2. The price the land is worth is the price someone is prepared to pay. It was bought in 2008 for 1.9million. Yes, we were aware this campaign being initiated might raise real estate price, and thats a bit of a catch 22, but the temptation of doing nothing was the biggest challenge to overcome.

      3. The real estate pitch is optimistic as to development, but who knows. What an owner does with it in 50 years, who knows. Is it in safer hands in public ownership? Will more people get to enjoy its natural state? I'm confident this project purpose is safer than the open market. I know I'm glad Lord Bledisloe helped out with Waitingi Treaty grounds all those years ago, and others who have done the same with various bits and pieces of significant land. I believe this is significant piece of land.

      4) Yes the main track runs through the middle of the estuary, but this is easily accessible by foot, boat and kayak (and more). Lots of bays in the abel tasman don't have any foot access. e.g. Mosquito Bay and people find huge pleasure in it and have a hunch it is one of the bays Air NZ used for their awesome advertisement recently - it looks beautiful left in its natural state. I have walked and kayaked various sections of the abel tasman over 25 times in the last 25 years with 100's of young NZ'ers more recently with my young family. I've watched the park change and handle the tourism, I'm convinced that if we can do this we should and won't regret it.

      Your last comment about priorities, I'm guessing this might be be your main point and with a fund-limited view point i can see where you are coming from.

      Chatting to Nature Heritage fund, they have priorities that balance bio-diversity and other things with a limited pool of money. This gem has been looked at previously eyed up by the fund and QE2 but the market limits any progress. With givealittle, it enables a less fund-limited viewpoint on priorities to include beauty, participation and engagement. The givealittle way enables a gift from the heart of the average NZ'er to make this a reality, even though DOC appears stretched. Lets hope we can do both/and. Its a generous and beautiful gift from NZ'ers to future NZ'ers.

      Love your work, hope you can join us in this crazy little scheme. :) go well

  • fbaa3225bc304b4da0ee991aca72e204

    D asks

    Hi,

    Not sue if I am missing something, but my query is:

    Understand that no money is drawn down on the credit card until the pledges reach $2,000,000. Understand that the money is not released my Givealittle unless the tender is won. However what happens if (when) the fund reaches/exceeds $2,000,000, but the offer is refused and another buyer buys the place, what happens to the money, which is now not just a pledge but actual cash).

    Is there a possibility of you negotiating to buy outside the tender process, once the limit is reached/exceeded.

    on 29 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      QE2 Trust is going to help this week with the tender process and all the scenarios that could unfold. A tender process does not fit easily with a campaign such as this.

      I do know this, that the money won't be drawn down by givealittle until they see the paperwork that we have won the tender and have a place to put it that reflects that bottom line vision - 'permanently off the property market in the hands of everyone to enjoy forever'.

      My understanding is that the donations over and above $2Million project total will also be not drawn down by givealittle. This is not standard administration for them, but they are bending over backwards for this given the unusual nature of the tender process.

      I am fortunate enough to be able to trust givealittle to decide what happens in those final scenarios. If we have too much money (great problem), I suppose the last donations received would not be drawn down. As we get close to that scenario we will look to givealittle's wisdom.

      How each bank does the credit card thing appears to be different,

      [from the answer to Joanna L] With regards to cards being charged prior to the target being hit, we have learned that some banks process the pledging transaction differently, some will display the amount of money you have pledged on your card on your account, this is not charged but works in the same way that a hold would. After 7 days this amount will disappear/be reversed dependent on your bank. Givealittle will not receive any funds until the target is reached and pledges are converted to donations.

      Hope that helps.

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    Sonia asks

    Hi, I really like the project and totally support it, but could you please give more details on how you plan to "give it to New Zealand?". Still unclear to me.

    Thanks.

    on 29 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Sonia,

      At this stage we have DOC and QE2 Trust working to make this a reality. I have been impressed with their attitude and offers of their skills to achieve our vision.

      It will most likely go to one of those two places depending how the upcoming conversations go.

      Both of these two outfits work with local iwi and trusts like Janszoon. DOC is keen to manage the land as part of the National Park which makes great sense and is a significant contribution.

      What I'd like to think will happen is that by the time givealittle sees the purchase and gifting paperwork and is ready to draw down the pledges, the account the donations goes into won't be Communitas Ltd, but the new owner/steward. Most likely QE2 Trust or DOC. Both can assist in 'legally' keeping the land in perpetuity.

      We had to start this without all these details being set in concrete, it never would have happened otherwise. We are running with principles and values and sorting these details out in conversations that have begun now and appreciate everyones goodwill in this.

      First things first for now though ... being generous with trust and to keep inspiring one another to pledge gifts and win the tender.

      Hope that helps, cheers for your question.

      check out

      www.openspaces.org.nz (QE2 Trust)

      www.janszoon.org

  • e880460ac13e4a6eb9d9bbb10b19c223

    Steve asks

    Are you planning on doing this elsewhere, Id support it, I'm sure others would too.

    Buy Back NZ.

    on 29 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Ha! :) Love your future thinking. Have not thought that far, but your comment does make one think.

      What we are experiencing is something special and wouldn't it be good to think of ways of doing it more.

      I loved being part of telethon when i was a kid, cherishing something we share like these precious pieces of NZ could be something that brings us together to do such a thing.

      I have enjoyed glimpsing at the potential of this to go across political parties, media programs, businesses, organisations and communities. Its positive, generous and very 'levelling' if that makes sense. Who knows. I'd love my kids to grow up with those kinds of crazy cool memories I had. For now its one day at a time, in this decent telethon style challenge in front of us.

      Love your vision, cheers for expressing it.

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    Joanna asks

    Hi I may have understood incorrectly, but I thought the funds would only be taken if the tender was successful? Or will the funds be taken now, and refunded if necessary... based on the comments that credit card won't be charged unless the tender is successful, I wasn't expecting the funds I pledge to be taken yet.

    on 29 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      With regards to cards being charged prior to the target being hit, we have learned that some banks process the pledging transaction differently, some will display the amount of money you have pledged on your card on your account, this is not charged but works in the same way that a hold would. After 7 days this amount will disappear/be reversed dependent on your bank. Givealittle will not receive any funds until the target is reached and pledges are converted to donations

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    Ross asks

    I did the pledge/donate thing last evening and when submitting it got some sort of error that told me I had to refresh the page to complete the thing. Refreshing the page just renewed the error message telling me to refresh. After 4 refreshes it sort of crashed out. I thought I saw something about a receipt being emailed or some acknowledgement so I have been checking my email for something. But received nothing. Does this mean I haven't been successful? How can I be sure either way?

    on 28 Jan 2016

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    Ali asks

    I am very excited by this project and hope we can raise the necessary funds. I have sent it to all my address book and to all our MPs to encourage them to participate. It would be brilliant to add it to the Abel Tasman Park.

    However, I do have some misgivings as to it's future if owned privately. I do not know who the vendors are and whether there is a possibility of development on this site.

    It should not be given any consent to develop in my opinion because of the nature of the area, and therefore one would hope that the price will not attract rich people to build an exclusive domain there.

    Do we have any information as to the status of the site?

    Can we trust the environment consents organisation to prevent development?

    alikiwifruit

    on 28 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Ali,

      Sorry for the delay in getting back.

      Hard to say what development will happen if it gets in private hands. The real estate pitch seems optimistic regarding it.

      You'd like to think the various local and national govt would be hearing some public interest in this and that this even now would mean less potential to be developed into an what you call an "exclusive domain".

      Ironically, we are increasing international real estate buyers interest by raising awareness, but also at the same time likely reducing the potential for development by demonstrating national interest in it.

      The simplest way to make things certain is to achieve our result and take it off the market permanently.

      Finally, your phrase "CAN WE TRUST" - that is a key question and the greatest commodity in all these conversations now and into the future. I'd like to think we can GROW TRUST through this - in all shapes and sizes.

      Cheers for expressing your insight and concerns.

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    Jane asks

    First, congratulations on getting this underway, what a fantastic idea! I'm from the north island and don't know much about the mana whenua of this area but I'd love to understand this a bit more, including any local stories around Maori use/'ownership' of this land in particular. Is there be a possibility of gifting this to the iwi or hapu with mana whenua and heal some broken hearts that way? That could be a different sort of contribution from NZer's in advance of Waiting Day next week and something that I would definitely contribute funds to. I'm sure that reasonable public access could be maintained but I'm not sure about yours or different groups of NZer's views on this. Would love to know as I'm sure there are a diverse range of thoughts. With thanks

    on 28 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Jane,

      I had another great chat with a kaumatua from the mana whenua and he seemed encouraged this impromptu initiative :)

      They have a hui next week when they may discuss where it all fits for them. Watch this space I suppose.

      I love your point about healing and stories, and your point about Waitangi Weekend being round the corner.

      :)

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    Rob asks

    My view is that if successful the area should be gifted to the National Park and managed by DOC. Although many of us has concerns about the direction of DOC - at the end of the day the land it manages belongs to us. Ultimately they are accountable to the public and voters. DOC seeks public input into park plans, conservation management strategies and on some concession applications. If held in some sort of private trust there is a risk that it will over time it will be less accountable than DOC. I think not adding the area to the park is a vote of no confidence in National Parks and public lands which would be a sad state of affairs and may help to erode the status of these lands nation wide.

    on 28 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Well said and really good point.

      We are working with DOC and QE2 Trust to do this and I think we are in safe hands through to the end.

      We have interesting time ahead with the potentially precarious tendering process and I am glad we have these guys both offering their support and commitment to work together to pull it off.

      Just need the 2 mill now! :)

      cheers Rob

      (QE2 Trust = www.openspaces.org.nz)

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    sasha asks

    DOC said purchasing the land outright is not in their ballpark. Are you in a conversation with them about contributing whatever is in their ball park? Surely they'd be a willing participant, particularly given the clear message NZers value retaining ownership and access to all foreshore/seabed land.

    on 28 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Sasha,

      Had a really positive chat to Mervyn English late this afternoon. He is the acting director general of DOC.

      He was enthusiastic to help see the land purchased.

      DOC can certainly contribute the future management/ maintenance of the land as part of the National Park. Which isn't insignificant, there is a lot to it.

      Still not clear what else is in their ball park.

      Personally I would rather not rely on this or hold out for a rescue from some heroic third party. We are all actively seeking sponsorship and keen on it, but I am pretty confident that the impetus (and bulk) of the sum required will be coming from everyday people pledging. And maybe thats a good thing for the people of NZ to have a chance to demonstrate their passion and resolve.

      For me, I reckon now isn't the time to get into the politics when we have a short window to vote with our feet.

      Everyday people acting, doing something positive and constructive, taking responsibility and expressing shared values is a huge statement and will, I hope, in time speak volumes into the kind of issues Adam and I (and probably you :) )were bantering on about Christmas Day.

      Someone said the other day that the thing they liked about pledging toward owning this beautiful piece of NZ, was the statement it was making. There is a lot in that.

      Right now, thanks to givealittle we each have an opportunity to be able to do something about it ourselves. And maybe its better that way, taking the initiative. Feels good so far anyway.

      Cheers Sasha for asking your question, writing a response helps collect the 'ol thoughts. hope it wasn't too longwinded!

  • jasmin

    Jasmin asks

    Maybe it would be cool to have a little sign that lists the names of those who pledged any amount big or small to say that we were a part of saving the beach. Imagine future generations visiting the beach and being proud to see their relatives names amongst the thousands and hopefully inspiring to protect our beautiful country even more... although now I think about it... haha that could be a pretty big sign...

    This campaign is so great ?

    on 28 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Thanks Jasmin, thats a cool idea i have been mentioning to people. I think its a winner, however some of those people rightly pointed out that there a great many pledges which are anonymous. So I was thinking maybe a nice bench seat with a bit of a plaque on it which explains the gift of the land.

      I certainly want to find a way to be gifted of a high res professional photo of the bay and email to all those who pledged. I know i'd like to stick something like that around the house and would be a cool reminder.

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    Rose asks

    Hi. What you guys are doing is awesome! We have been in NZ since 2008, and have just received Citizenship. I am quite emotionall about it, strange as it sounds... but when I saw this on the news last night, It choked me up - immediately thought, you know, what a better way of thanking NZ for making us part of this beautiful Counrty. We love it here. I wish this project all the best. Well done to you and your team!!

    on 28 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Rose, stoked to hear your story, and that you feel part of the place, cheers for your support.

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    Alyssa asks

    Just an idea to raise some money... what so people think about getting schools involved? Since schools are back next week we could organise a mufti day for kids and a gold coin donation. This worked well when I was in school and kids love coming to school in mufti.

    on 27 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      That's a fantastic idea! We'll see what we can do!

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    Gerald asks

    QE2 or DoC (perhaps with an extra covenant over the land) would be excellent owners.

    It's just possible the market price is less than $2m, given that it's only 7.37 hectares and much of it will be covered by the sea in the next 100 years. What would the remainder be used for?

    Maybe it could it go towards Project Janszoon with the expectation they will undertake pest control and trapping?

    on 27 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      I'm glad you like some of those scenario's for ownership.

      If the price is less than 2million dollars that would create interesting scenarios. The givealittle pledges can't be released unless we hit the 2million target.

      So one scenario is if we have say $1.7M pledged and a $1.7M price agreed through tendering process, I presume someone with deep pockets could pledge the remaining $300k to the project to release the funds and get it back.

      If we have more money than we need, firstly that would be a great problem to have! And maybe your suggestion of contributing toward pest control and the like would make sense. But too early to say. I'm keen to be at the tender table first.

      One crazy thing is that all this attention we are giving it may well increase the price :(

      And so of course a likely scenario is that it might go for over $2Million, the givealittle team has said it can take donations over the 2million dollars worth of pledges. Thats the basic plan.

      However, also at that point it would be ideal to have some deep pockets helping us all over the finish line in the tendering process. That would be an easier and safer plan.

      When we get that far down the track I wouldn't be surprised if there was a group or individual with sufficient resources who could see what this opportunity would then represent to NZ/NZ'ers.

      And of course if we don't get it, no money leaves our accounts! :) So with that little risk, surely we can think 'half full' enough to pledge ourselves into a strong position.

      So 'here we go' I suppose, lets hope NZ'ers dream big and at least give ourselves a shot at what this opportunity represents. :)

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    Josh asks

    How does the tender process work? Does the vendor have discretion to sell to any buyer or do they have to go to the highest bidder? Because any buyer could easily just check out the total raised here and outbid it.

    on 27 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      I believe the vendor should be able to exercise discretion. Either way hoping for some help from 3rd party big hitters to help us across the finish line.

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    Lin asks

    I wonder how much DoC is willing to front, and if this money could be used to help them purchase directly, even if the final goal isn't reached?

    on 27 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      That is a great question.

      This money can't be drawn down by givealittle from unless it reaches the total (and the tender is won).

      My understanding is that if the total is reached it can be used by an approved entity other than Communitas IF it fulfils the purpose of the project.

      That entity could donate enough to complete the 2million dollar total required for the project.

      So i suppose the answer to your question could be 'yes' for an entity that fits the bill. e.g. DOC or Charitable Trust.

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    Krystal asks

    Hey, my mum will donate $500 but she doesn't trust entering her credit card details on a website, so she'd rather do it through private banking. Please give me your Facebook / email or something and I'll contact you. We'll chip in that $500 a day or so before you need to use it. :)

    Great idea, btw!

    on 26 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      For everyone's safety and security we're going to keep all the payments going through Give A Little.

      If your mum doesn't feel safe doing it herself maybe you could get a friend to do it for her.

      Thanks for your support!

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    Talei asks

    Hi guys... What a brilliant idea... I'm more than happy to donate for such a wonderful cause, but ( there's always that "but")... Will global warming make that $2 mil beach non existent & I worry about DoC being a trustee. I say this because it wasn't so long ago that we had to fight a multinational corporation that wanted to drill a tunnel through a Fiordland, (DoC entrusted), mountain for private use. DoC was willing to let it go ahead. This is a world heritage site I'm talking about, but DoC had been bought. Dr Nick Smith, had the final say in the matter & thank goodness he listened to the majority of New Zealanders....

    on 26 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Talei,

      Yeah re global warming - who knows. It seems the shape and height of the sand naturally shifts. More global warming = less beach, so maybe it more imp to save this 800m?? I suppose I am acting positively in the present.

      Re who looks after things, there have been a few people with your sentiment. I gave a long answer to a question above that might show the process and thinking so far.

      I must say that i personally have had generally good experiences of DOC in the dozens of trips to the park ( I was a youth worker who took young people through the park). There's a lot to balance. But yeah you are thinking on a long term and large scale and its helpful to hear and consider this for such a project as this.

      Weighing all these things up, I hope a pledge with this campaign and encouraging others to do the same will surely be better than the possibility of possible off shore ownership now or in the future.

      Also win or lose, it has simply been encouraging seeing NZ'ers tangibly express their sense of what it means for them to be a part of this place.

      Its very cool.

      Thanks for your questions, sorry it took so long to get back. Go well.

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    Rob asks

    Surely http://www.janszoon.org/ is as good a place as any to start looking for a suitable Trust?

    on 26 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Yes, I thought of those guys, there project is amazing. I think i've seen volunteers doing stuff for them too.

      I was told by someone early on that they are more into maintenance and restoration rather than ownership so I didn't call them. I certainly have them in mind. I am having chats to trusts that do land covenants and work with iwi, local trusts and DOC.

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    Shawnee asks

    hiya---for all of us who have donated---please email us all with an appropriate date for us all to meet for an awesum bbg/swim fun filled day on our very own beach.

    on 26 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      We'll be there in April i hope with the family. Your welcome to join us! :)

      But yeah, your right when we pull this off it will deserve a decent celebration.

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    Tim asks

    Hi guys- awesome idea- behind it- however what's not clear is what you mean by 'a suitable trust'. I'd only be happy to get involved where I knew this was going to Doc to be responsibly managed and incorporated into a national park. Peoples ideas of a suitable trust will differ and the last thing I'd want to do is donate money and see this being given to destiny church (or any other church for that matter). Any way you can tighten up what happens to this land? Who's responsible for ensuring it gets handed over to DoC and in what timeframe? What (if any) guarantees can you give the donating public? Don't get me wrong- I'm all for it, and I'm complicating the idea, but necessary to do so. Maybe a big law firm can get some publicity by drawing up a trust deed, nominate a trustee with powers only to organise and hand over the land to the gov under agreement it gets national parked?! Just an idea- top marks for putting this up though but important to be transparent too!

    on 26 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Tim,

      I'm hoping my long answer to the question below/above will cover your question sufficiently for now.

      I like your idea of some law firm (or charity) holding it in trust until it all gets squared away. It might be part of the solution.

      I am aware some people will be more likely to pledge when these solutions become clearer.

      Lets keep thinking.

      :)

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    Angelo asks

    One question.

    If we do this, can we have a beach party with everyone who donated before its handed over to doc...

    Compulsory clean-up in the morning of course..!

    on 26 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Ha! when we pull this off - i think we will certainly need a decent celebration :) The givealittle campaign actually finishes on my birthday, it'd be nice to celebrate with a completed campaign.

      keep up the crazy ideas :)

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    G asks

    Again, as above I like this idea & the concept. I'm interested in the answers to the questions posed & also how this may be managed if successful, ie access rights, title and decisions regarding the land in future. Chers

    on 26 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi There, Sorry for the delay! Been at work and doing this on the side where I can.

      Here's a pretty long answer which may hopefully answer your question and a bunch of other people's questions.

      When I first sounded out the idea with my Facebook friends I was proposing to simply give it to DOC, and I am still open to that. I have had generally good experiences in the park over the last 25 years and dozens of trips. And DOC said on the phone and now on TV they'd be happy to consider that.

      However lots of people have mentioned that it needs to be stronger preservation clauses than even that.

      So I had initially contacted NZ forest and bird, Native Forest Restoration to host things, but they for various reasons relating to policy and timeframe weren't able to help in time.

      Time was ticking so just to get things going I needed an account to put on the givealittle site. I have gone with this little company "Communitas Ltd"to be the bank account required. Its just a small initiative we set up in our neighbourhood to help get some win-wins for people in a crazy property market. 'Communitas' is a strange name I know, but it kinda means "the making of community".

      Either way, it was a simple chat over the fence to get as transparent bank account as we could given the timeframe we have in front of us. The whole idea is that the land will sit somewhere else not with Communitas. Its just a bank account for now, one that has an accountant look over it etc. In fact if we can get an appropriate charitable NGO on board before we draw down the money to pay for the land, givealittle told me we can change the account to that Charitable Trust. This would suit me as I'm pretty sure that could mean donation receipts suitable for tax rebates and less work for our accountant.

      While the campaign has gotten started and rev'ed up, I have continued to work to find a home for it that takes into consideration all the feedback I have received. My bottom line remains the same, which is that this little gem is off the private property market and into the hands of everyone to enjoy forever.

      Exactly what the legal look of that will be will need lawyers. I have had offers of Pro-Bono lawyers to assist with the process and 'Spark' has offered in this regard as well.

      THANK YOU!

      I am utilising this kind of expertise and I am absolutely sure we can find a home for this special piece of Aotearoa.

      I have been recommended along the way "QE2 Trust" which is an NGO that does some great stuff creating covenants on land that people want to keep preserved for the public forever. I have found conversations with them helpful and encouraging. And I see they liaise with DOC, Iwi, and local trusts to find the best solutions. Sometimes they even own and manage the land. This Trust I think has credibility and skill sets that may well be part of the solution. I will continue to chat to them. With the various lawyers from "Spark" or from other pro-bono offers I'm certain there will be solid win-win solutions.

      What will happen to the land after that? Well, I presume it will be returned to its Natural state for everyone to enjoy forever. Exactly how that is done will be up to the people that take on the stewardship. There is no access road to it, but people will always be able to walk, kayak, boat and fly (and parachute even!) to enjoy its natural splendour with their grandkids and beyond.

      Hope that helps :)

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    Fiona asks

    Hi team,

    What a fantastic idea. I love how passionate we New Zealanders are when it comes to preserving beach front land so it is accessible for all. I'm all for contributing to this great cause, but I just want to know what happens to the funds if someone purchases it before you reach the target, or if for some other reason the purchase can't be made?

    Thanks

    on 26 Jan 2016

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    Sephrah asks

    Hi Guys,

    I heard about this on RNZ yesterday. It just about brought me to tears. What a great idea!

    This piece of land was brought by my Great Grandparents and enjoyed by 4 generations...I spent every summer there from when I was 1 year old until I was 17. It was sold in 2008 due to family disagreement. Those of us that knew it for what it was, a priceless gem, have been heartbroken ever since.

    We're not millionaires, just your average Kiwi that had the luck to enjoy this lovely place in the world...it is like no other.

    I wanted to contact you to let you know what a great idea this is, and if there is anything I can do to help, please let me know. I would love to hear from you.

    Sephrah.

    on 26 Jan 2016

    • Communitas

      Communitas

      Hi Sephrah, So good to hear from you. Hearing your side of the story is amazing. Would love to chat. Whats the best way to get hold of each other?

      Maybe you could message me on Facebook?

      Duane

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    bhntvyet asks

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    Anand asks

    Hi, my name is Anand Hira, i'm Karyn Hay's producer on RadioLIVE. we saw your givealittle story and have been talking about it all night.

    we were wondering if you were free this evening or an evening this week to have a chat on-air about it.

    you are interested you can get me at ahira@mediaworks.co.nz

    kindest regards

    Anand

    RadioLIVE Producer

    on 25 Jan 2016

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